Comments on: hmmm http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/ Dreamer, friend, lover, artist and... very undisciplined. oh well... nobody's perfect Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:38:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Nicolas Nelson http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-1270 Nicolas Nelson Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:17:46 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-1270 Hola Niza, As usual in my blogospheric life, I'm wandering in late. Reading all the preceding comments, it's interesting to see the different perspectives. Props to Dean Sharp for taking the conversation to the next step, that of healing. Niza, if I hear you right, you are not marveling at the tendency of things to all break loose at once, as much as you are witnessing the awful and apparently rare phenomenon of "antiprayer." This must be rare among christians because so many seem never to have experienced it. Either that or rationalize it away so well that the actual phenomenon is ignored or slips past in disguise. It doesn't slip by me. I have personally suffered from, and carefully studied, various attacks of "antiprayer": when the rapid degeneration of a person or situation directly correlates with how earnestly, often and long you pray for them. Once I was planning to fast for someone's healing but decided not to because, the way things had gone so far, me fasting for them might have killed them. The good news: bouts of antiprayer, no matter how acute, confusing, or terrifying, don't seem to last long. I treat them with strong doses of worship and the comfort of friends. I also recommend refraining from any normal sort of intercessory prayer for the duration of the phenomenon: for the sake of those for whom you pray, restrict yourself to "desperate humble surrender and submission to God". Symptoms usually recede within ten days but sometimes linger for a couple of months. Warning; when ignored, antiprayer greatly magnifies one's ability to rationalize away the hard questions of life, preventing wisdom from taking root. But when honestly confronted and left untreated, antiprayer can lead to crippling despair. If you have the courage to look it in the face, seek help immediately. -Dr. Nic, antiprayer survivor Hola Niza,
As usual in my blogospheric life, I’m wandering in late. Reading all the preceding comments, it’s interesting to see the different perspectives. Props to Dean Sharp for taking the conversation to the next step, that of healing.

Niza, if I hear you right, you are not marveling at the tendency of things to all break loose at once, as much as you are witnessing the awful and apparently rare phenomenon of “antiprayer.” This must be rare among christians because so many seem never to have experienced it. Either that or rationalize it away so well that the actual phenomenon is ignored or slips past in disguise.

It doesn’t slip by me. I have personally suffered from, and carefully studied, various attacks of “antiprayer”: when the rapid degeneration of a person or situation directly correlates with how earnestly, often and long you pray for them. Once I was planning to fast for someone’s healing but decided not to because, the way things had gone so far, me fasting for them might have killed them.

The good news: bouts of antiprayer, no matter how acute, confusing, or terrifying, don’t seem to last long. I treat them with strong doses of worship and the comfort of friends. I also recommend refraining from any normal sort of intercessory prayer for the duration of the phenomenon: for the sake of those for whom you pray, restrict yourself to “desperate humble surrender and submission to God”. Symptoms usually recede within ten days but sometimes linger for a couple of months.

Warning; when ignored, antiprayer greatly magnifies one’s ability to rationalize away the hard questions of life, preventing wisdom from taking root. But when honestly confronted and left untreated, antiprayer can lead to crippling despair. If you have the courage to look it in the face, seek help immediately.

-Dr. Nic, antiprayer survivor

]]> By: James Broadwater http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-620 James Broadwater Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:52:28 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-620 Don't whether this applies to you, but it does to me -- obedience is required, and prayer is only one part of obedience. Ps. 91 is available to everyone, but you have to be very obedient to receive it. Walk circumspectly. And sometimes, we think things are going badly when they're not. Sometimes, when we're attacked, it's BECAUSE of our obedience to God, it's the forces of darkness (demons and people who are being used by Satan) who are attacking us, and it's an opportunity to kick down the gates of Hell and level spiritual strongholds. Obeying God is hard, but disobeying God is harder. - Henry Blackaby. But the whole truth is that obeying God isn't hard at all. "My yoke is easy, and My burden is light." - Jesus Christ, who is God. It just seems hard, maybe because when we do, we attract the bad guys. God bless! Don’t whether this applies to you, but it does to me — obedience is required, and prayer is only one part of obedience. Ps. 91 is available to everyone, but you have to be very obedient to receive it. Walk circumspectly. And sometimes, we think things are going badly when they’re not. Sometimes, when we’re attacked, it’s BECAUSE of our obedience to God, it’s the forces of darkness (demons and people who are being used by Satan) who are attacking us, and it’s an opportunity to kick down the gates of Hell and level spiritual strongholds. Obeying God is hard, but disobeying God is harder. - Henry Blackaby. But the whole truth is that obeying God isn’t hard at all. “My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.” - Jesus Christ, who is God. It just seems hard, maybe because when we do, we attract the bad guys. God bless!

]]> By: jen http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-360 jen Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:29:07 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-360 ...hear you loud and clear.....i don't understand god, maybe that's the point he is trying to make?.......i honestly have no explanation for how you feel, i'm right there with you........ …hear you loud and clear…..i don’t understand god, maybe that’s the point he is trying to make?…….i honestly have no explanation for how you feel, i’m right there with you……..

]]> By: V. http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-358 V. Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:52:12 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-358 I do....I prayed for changes in our family, in our household, in our careers, in our finances, and whammo - IT'S ALL CHANGING! That doesn't mean the changes are fun, but they ARE inspiring because somebody bigger than me knows all the moves...day to day I have no choice but to keep my eyes on HIM because if I look at us or our circumstances, I would drown in a sea of doubt/fear/crap. Blessings, V. I do….I prayed for changes in our family, in our household, in our careers, in our finances, and whammo - IT’S ALL CHANGING!

That doesn’t mean the changes are fun, but they ARE inspiring because somebody bigger than me knows all the moves…day to day I have no choice but to keep my eyes on HIM because if I look at us or our circumstances, I would drown in a sea of doubt/fear/crap.

Blessings,

V.

]]> By: genesis http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-352 genesis Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:24:06 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-352 i feel your pain. we're in the middle of a jam ourselves. we just started a new series at genesis called: "yelling at God" it may or may not be helpful- you can check it out at: www.genesisdetroit.com click podcast or www.genesisthechurch.org i feel your pain. we’re in the middle of a jam ourselves.
we just started a new series at genesis called:
“yelling at God”

it may or may not be helpful- you can check it out at:
http://www.genesisdetroit.com click podcast
or
http://www.genesisthechurch.org

]]> By: Tina http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-350 Tina Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:48:23 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-350 Neez - I just wanted to say I LOVE YOU! Neez - I just wanted to say I LOVE YOU!

]]> By: stacijoy http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-349 stacijoy Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:48:07 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-349 I'm helping! I'm helping you! (you gotta see the show this quote came from sometime!). Hope you can come stay with/near us SOON, and we can pour some lovin' on ya! MUAH!!!! I’m helping! I’m helping you! (you gotta see the show this quote came from sometime!). Hope you can come stay with/near us SOON, and we can pour some lovin’ on ya! MUAH!!!!

]]> By: tina http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-348 tina Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:26:11 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-348 Hey Niza - Got your comment. I am sure Dean will call Alex back soon. He is counseling a few people today but should be done around 5PM. I can't wait to see you! Today I was dreaming of living in Africa. Wanna come? Hey Niza -

Got your comment. I am sure Dean will call Alex back soon. He is counseling a few people today but should be done around 5PM.

I can’t wait to see you!
Today I was dreaming of living in Africa. Wanna come?

]]> By: lane0129 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-347 lane0129 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:59:04 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-347 Niza...I don't have the answer; however, here are a couple of thoughts that came to mind. First, maybe you are praying for the wrong thing--wisdom, clarity, peace, patience, whatever. Maybe, no matter how much you want something, what you want is contrary to God's plan. Or maybe, God wants to test your faith by not giving you this thing right away; but, if you are patient and faithful he will. Let me know if you get the answer... Niza…I don’t have the answer; however, here are a couple of thoughts that came to mind. First, maybe you are praying for the wrong thing–wisdom, clarity, peace, patience, whatever. Maybe, no matter how much you want something, what you want is contrary to God’s plan. Or maybe, God wants to test your faith by not giving you this thing right away; but, if you are patient and faithful he will. Let me know if you get the answer…

]]> By: Tina http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-346 Tina Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:43:46 +0000 http://niza.voxtropolis.com/2006/06/25/hmmm/#comment-346 Hey Niza, I think it's time we connect again. We need to dream together and share ideas and breathe hope into each other's lives. When can we all get together? Hey Niza,
I think it’s time we connect again. We need to dream together and share ideas and breathe hope into each other’s lives.

When can we all get together?

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